Patpong

      [ General | Patpong I, II, III & IV | Bar Survival | Sex Shows | Blow Job Bars ]
      [ Katoys (Lady-Boys) | Touts | Bar Fines (going Short & Long Time) ]

      GENERAL

      Location Patpong is located on a series of side-streets sandwiched between Suriwong and Silom Roads. ANY taxi driver will know how to get you here. Hotels that are close by include the Dusit Thani & Montien (both 5 star hotels), the Wall Street Inn as well as several other hole-in-the-wall places. However, I would not particularlly recommend staying close to Patpong. Hotels like the Dusit and Montien will NEVER allow a "visitor" into your room and they are VERY good at recognizing the kinds of visitors you have in mind. No matter how well you try to disguise them. Instead, consider staying over near NANA Plaza (just a short Tuk-Tuk ride away) and many of the hotels near NANA have NO-Problem with your guests.

      History What can one say about Patpong that hasn't already been said (and that most of us don't already know.) For the most part the serious single traveler tends to stay away from Patpong these days due to the almost common-placed hard attitudes of the girls working there (and the high prices they are now asking -- 1,000-2,000 Baht short time is common and hardly any girls there want to go long time anymore). However, due to the volumes of tourists here, the most beautiful GO-GO girls DO tend to work in Patpong since there is more money to be made here than in any other Bangkok sex district (so if you only want the most gorgeous "model-quality" Thai girls, it is easiest to find them here.) Still, Patpong needs to be mentioned in any serious FAQ, if not only for historical purposes -- hey, this is where it all started boys!

      Patpong is perhaps the most famous sex district in Bangkok, having its roots as a major R&R stopover for American GI's during the Viet Nam war. It has been said that most of the Thai sex industry was started as a result of these R&R visits and to a certain extent I beleive it. Although I am sure that there would always be some sort of prostitution/sex scene in a city the size of Bangkok, regardless of any war.

      Things have changed a lot in Bangkok since the Viet Nam war however. Since all the GIs have left, tourists have taken over and due to its historical significance if you venture into Patpong these days you are more likely to bump into crowds of middle aged ladies from Iowa than any GIs. Still, there is plenty of fun to be had in Patpong even these days -- although the prices for a "fun" evening have gone through the roof. It is actually kind of funny to see all the GO-GO bars lining Patpong I with the center of the street full of vendors hawking everything from fake Rolex watches & silver jewlery to tee-shirts.

      PATPONG I, II, III and IV?

      What's What Patpong I and II contain the tpyical Bangkok-Style GO-GO bars (where the girls dance around poles on a stage clad in skimpy bikinis or (if the police aren't in the bar at the time) topless. Patpong II also has a few open-air, kinda beer-barish stlye bars on the street level (nothing like the Pattaya beer bars though - sorry.) Patpong III supposedly houses Gay bars (although I have never bothered to take a look since this life-style doesn't interest me in the least. Patpong IV (and I am only going by cursory reports here -- I do not know if Patpong IV even exists or where it is in relation to the other 3 areas) is supposedly for Japanese only tourists (i.e. the prices are way inflated to make them feel superior I guess.)

      Recommended Bars For GO-GO style bars try any of the Kings Group bars (King's Castle, Queen's Castle) and Gold Finger on Patpong I. On Patpong II try Super Queen and Cleopatras. Please note that many bars change names frequently in Patpong but the best (like King's Castle) have been around forever and never cause you problems.

      BAR SURVIVAL

      Regardless of which bar you go into and which Patpong you are in, things are pretty much handled the same way. You will be ushered to a seat and a waitress will either appear to take your order OR you will be assigned a girl who will stand-by close to your table to handle whatever you may want during your stay in the bar (she may have responsibility for a few tables close to yours also). Anyway, a small container with be placed on your table with a sheet of paper in it. This is your bill and I'd advise you to take a look at it after your first drink arrives and after each other drink you order. This is a running tab and by checking it the first time, you'll know how much your choice of poison costs in this particular bar. Errors HAVE been known to occur, which is why you should check it often! The typical cost for a beer these days (as of June '96) is around 60-75 Baht. You will also (and very quickly I might ad) be approached by several of the girls asking you "Cola for me?" If you do buy one for them they will sit with you while they drink it (from a very small glass) and after seen buying one girl a drink, you will very likely experience a deluge of attention from all the other available girls wanting you to buy them one too. If you want to, fine. If not, that's fine too. Just make sure you are getting charged for what YOU DID order! Patpong is probably the worst for getting hit-up for these drinks (i.e. the girls here are pretty aggressive). If you really don't want to buy the girls any drinks, just be frim up front and soon you'll be left to enjoy the show -- but why not have some fun and buy a couple lady-drinks. That, is why you're here right -- to have a little fun.

      In other FAQs regarding the Bangkok bars I have seen recomendations about bringing toys to try and amuse the girls (like candies, performing card tricks or bringing one of those laser pointers to flash on the girls on stage). If you want to do this then I guess I wouldn't advise against it in particular but I'm afraid most of all this has become quite common place these days. I saw a guy with a laser pointer last time I was there and he was shining it all over the girls tits on stage, etc. I didn't see him get even a second notice so, I dunno about this. Bangkok is pretty quickly coming out of the 3rd world and where the girls had never seen this kind of stuff in the past, now-a-days it's (like I said) kind of cliche. One thing you should bring though is your sense of humour and a fun-loving attitude. If you want to stay slumped over your beer in a bad mood, you are not likely to make any new friends (in Thailand or at home either!)

      SEX SHOWS

      Besides the GO-GO bars in Patpong I & II there is a second class of bars located on the upper floors of the same buildings. These bars are where the sex shows take place. You have no-doubt heard all the stories about women opening beer bottles, shooting ping-pong balls and darts, smoking cigarettes and pulling stings of razor-blades out of their pussies. Well, I am here to tell you that it IS indeed all true. Well, this kind of thing gets old pretty fast, but it's worth seeing a couple of these shows -- if for no other reason, just to say that you saw one. If you do decide to see one, do be careful. Many of these "up-stairs" bars charge for the show and they don't hit you up for the money until you are on your way out the door -- where a rather large Thai gentelman will take your head off if you refuse to pay up (these charges have been reported to be around 400-600 baht.) A big HINT here is to ASK before going in "do you have any kind of show charge?" and "so, all I have to pay for is my drinks, right?" While this may still not save you in some of the more dis-reputable places, at least you have a "barganing" chip. In general, if you stick to one of the King's Group bars, you'll have no problems with this (King's Castle, Queen's Castle, etc.) Also the Super Queen is a good place to see the show over on Patpong II.

      BLOW-JOB BARS

      This class of bar is perhaps the most unique and interesting type of bar in the world. It certainly sparks a lot of questions from people wondering "do such places REALLY exist?" Well, actually they do and there are several of them located in Patpong. In these bars you can order a beer and get a blow-job at the same time.

      The Kangaroo Club is perhaps the best known of this type of bar in Patpong. It is located right on the main drag of Patpong I. As with all of the smaller bars, it may be hard to find since the actual bar is on the second floor and the door on the street is partially hidden by the various hawkers of street goods. Look for the red neon sign "Kangaroo Club." There will be a couple of men sitting out front who work for the bar -- but they are not very aggressive about proding customers in, as are most of the larger GO-GO style bars. Once inside the door, the only site will be a flight of stairs leading straight up to the bar. The bar itself is fairly small and consists of the bar itself with stools and a couch on the opposite wall. There are X-rated movies playing on the single TV set at the bar. The couch is where the girls sit waiting for customers (there were between 10 and 15 girls here last time I was in). The girls are NOT as beautiful as the GO-GO girls but there are always a few beauties available. Some will approach you as you sit at the bar. They will take their tops down and let you play and suck on their tits, reach down or into your pants and give your "member" a lot of attention and generally hang out and neck/pet with you (kinda like kicking the tires I presume) until you are finally so horney you give in and buy in to the room. You can get a blowjob right at the bar but they also have two private rooms (one large and one significantly smaller). The cost for the room and a blow-job together is around 500 baht at present. Some barganing may be possible. This bar used to have a curtained appature directly underneath the bar, where the girl would go to actually give you the blow-job right at the bar. This has apparently changed and the bar is solid now (NO curtain). I am pretty sure you can still get service right at the bar but I guess I was a little too shy to try it. The larger room has several nice leather chairs for you to sit in and a small twin bed against the wall. I'd say there are 5 or 6 of the leather chairs, in order to service multiple customers when the bar was very busy but when I was there, I was the only one in the room.

      Rose Bar Unfortunately, I do not have much experience in this place (any readers care to shoot some info my way on this one?) However, it is a BJ Bar and is likely to have a similar settup to the Kangaroo Club. Don't confuse this bar with Pantera Rosa which from all current accounts has turned into a gigantic rip-off bar (i.e. I would not recommend even going in there).

      LadyNight Another BJ bar. This bar has the added feature of reportedly being a good place to score some ganja (if you are into that kind of thing). However, and I can't stress this enough YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET CAUGHT IN THAILAND WITH EVEN THE SMALLEST AMOUNT OF "GANJA." If you are, you could be thrown in jail for up to 40 years and the Thai prison system is VERY brutal and their legal system DOES NOT afford you any specific rights as you are used to in the states! You can make your own decissions on this but be EXTREMELY careful!!!

      Star of Love This is a great "classic" BJ bar over on Patpong II. This one still has the curtains under the bar for that added discretion!? Worth checking this one out if not just to see the faces on the people at the bar.

      KATOYS (LADY-BOYS)

      If you are going to partake of the fruits in Patpong (and basically any sex district in Bangkok OR for that matter anywhere in Thailand) the Lady-Boy situation needs to be considered very carefully. Katoys or Lady-Boys are both pre and post-op transsexuals that try to pass themselves off as women. Be scared, be VERY scared (unless you like that kind of thing) because some of these "women" are very, very good lookers. I dare almost anyone to tell the difference between a really good Lady-Boy and the real thing. Look for all the tell-tale signs (deeper voice, a bulge in their pants/dresses and probably the best give-away the adams apple). You may think you are pretty smart about identifying these Katoys but you just need to really stay on top of your game (i.e. DO NOT get too drunk and then try to make a decission)! I always like to look for the adams apple however, I am not even sure that this could not be surgically "corrected." In most areas you should be "fairly" safe especially if you are patronizing a well established bar (like one of the Kings group establishments). There are SOME bars however, that are all Katoys and you just need to know where these are. Since the bar names change so frequently, it is just best to find an Expat in one of the bars and ask him for advice once you arrive. Or, trust your sober judgement. There is one bar in NANA plaza on the second floor in the back left hand corner (I beleive the name is "Cassanova's") that is chock full of pre-op transvestites. I made the mistake of getting dragged in there once. A very eye-opening and interesting experience. They hit me up for lady-drinks, I bought one and they kept putting my hands on their perfect tits (a little too perfect and big - if you know what I mean.) Finally, one started putting my hand between "her" legs where upon I felt the huge bulge and then I was off towards the door -- pronto! Be careful out there - it's a jungle!

      TOUTS

      Touts are the guys that acost you on the street and try to get you into "their" bar or off to some secluded, over-priced massage parlor or else-where. They may have a card of poster-board advertising all the different "pussy-shows" in their bar or perhaps a picture pamphlet of a massage parlour. Reputable bars do have Touts and these are almost always relatively clean looking and wearing some kind of official uniform (perhaps consisting of black pants a white shirt and a colored vest). The ones you want to watch out for are the ones that appear un-kempt, dirty and carry a beat-up looking business card with some list of services. Also be warry of touts that want to lead you off of the main venue to some "close-by" massage parlour. If you are walking around Patpong before all the bars open (around 6:00pm) there will be a lot of this type of tout wandering around. I once went with one of these guys just to see what's- what, fully expecting to pay way too much for the massage. He kept saying "very close, very close" but we kept walking as he tried to make small talk with me. Finally, after we had walked 6 or 7 blocks, we arrived at a rather large building with many cars in the parking lot. The deal was this... there were two classifications of girls the first was "regular" and the second "super-stars." The regular girls were 1,500 baht and the super-stars were 2,000 baht. For this, you got a massage and a blow job. Well, the regular girls were pretty much butt-ugly so for an extra 500 Baht I opted for a super-star. The regular girls were behind the glass (as is normal) the superstars (of which there were decidedly fewer of, sat on a small set of bleachers in a small bar area. I sat in a booth with the tout as he tried to suggest that I pick number 18 (and he was infering that this of course was her age). OK, so I took her, paid my 2,000 baht to another guy and then as she led me over to an elevator up to the rooms this tout was bugging me for a tip of 100 baht -- so he could get something to eat (I gave it to him, after all this was to experience the rip-off). We went up got into a room, ordered a couple drinks and on with the show. She bathed me in the big tub, no foamy b-course massge though and then on to the bed for a crappy massage that she seemed surprised that I really wanted. I got the blow-job and that was pretty much it -- before too long at all, there was a knock on the door stating "time was up." So, there is a true rip-off experience for you. If I had went to one of the really good parlours, like Chao-Phraya III I would have gotten oh so much more for my money. Let this be a lesson in the Touts for you -- DO NOT go with them! Oh yeah, the girl was really 24 (she asked me how old the guy said she was)!

      BAR-FINES, GOING SHORT & LONG-TIME (How much is this gonna cost)!

      This info was valid as of the summer of 1996. Prices do seem very much on the rise all over Thailand, so if anyone has more recent changes, please pass them on to me. In Patpong it seems that the going rate for a short time is 1,000 baht. For all night (Long Time) it is 1,500 baht (at least that is the price they quote). I was unable to find any girls in Patpong that would actually go all night. Hell, they can make more money if they go back to the bar and get another buy-out, right! Still in the world-wide scheme of things this is pretty cheap. However, there are all the other associated costs. Let me put together an example. You walk in to Gold-Finger, sit down and have a couple beers at 75 baht each, buy the girl of your choice a couple lady drinks also at 75 baht each. Now you've decided to take her out for a short time. You have to pay the bar fine OR you have to pay a fee to use the room on-site (many of these bars have a room in the back you can use). Either way, the bar-fine or the room rental is around 250-400 baht. The girl wants 1,000 baht. So, you end up with a grand total of 1,550 baht for everything. This is about $60 US Dollars. Still, a lot of guys complain about this but I say WHY? How far will $60 dollars get you in a US strip joint? Not far! Any way you slice it up $60 to lay a real beauty of true "model" quality is a very good deal. Perhaps in the not too distant future I can see prices getting even higher. How high is too high to make it a raw deal? Well, for some $60 is already too high. I guess it is all up to personal preference. There ARE always exceptions to this rule and each girl is different and has a different personality. She may end up really liking you and will take care of you for free... THIS has happened to me on occasion (although not usually in Patpong). If you do take a girl out of the bar then you'll also have the expense of a short-time hotel room. the triple M (MMM) right in Patpong was running 350 baht in June '96.

      Just to give you another BAD example and to show that you DO need to pick your girl very carefully and discuss ALL the prices up front before leaving the bar, let me tell you another short story that happened to me last June in the Queens Castle. I went in sat down and had a beer. I spotted a nice looking nymphette on stage, she noticed me noticing her. She came down and within the first minute started talking about how she wanted me to buy her out so we could go to the triple-M hotel. She said, "I can smoke for you no problem." (smoke is slang for blow-job). She went on "1,000 baht for smoke, 1,500 baht for a screw." Well, I smelt problems right a way, but I was going into these situations on purpose this time. So, I said OK, let's go. I think the bar fine was around 300 baht. The triple-M room was 350 baht. So, she takes a shower and we get into the bed. She asks if I want her to smoke, I say sure and she starts blowing me, but only for a couple minutes. Then she says something like "OK?" I say "OK!" and she jumps on the old pole and starts humping away. This is bugging me and so I turn her over on her back and finish this off quick (just wanting to get out of there at this point). We shower and get dressed (she is in a big hurry to get back to the bar). Since I fucked her, I offer up 1,500 baht (as we supposedly agreed, right!) Now comes the typical surprise... she says "NO, I said 1,000 for smoke and 1,500 for fuck." i.e. she wanted a grand total of 2,500 baht for like 15 minutes of time. I started to freak out and said look, it was only a very short time and I thought if I went for the screw the smoke was thrown in with the deal, etc. Well, she stared whining about how she had no money and her mother was sick (this is ALL very typical bullshit if you get a bad apple). so, after a brief argument, I told her to take the 1,500 or nothing. She was pissed, I was pissed and glad to move on to NANA Plaza. It should be noted that it is generally NOT a good idea to piss off these girls as word will travel fast and she may even try to get you into trouble with the police. This high-lights the reason that you MUST pick out your girls and assess their personalities before leaving the bar with one. This is a bad example, however in Patpong, this type of money-grubbing girl is becoming more the rule than the exception! Again -- buyer beware...